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"I
have begun the list at the Arrington End and then gone straight up the road.
Richard
Carter [and wife Eliza, née White]
Formerly
kept the 'Carpenter's Arms' [later the 'Axe & Compasses' PH], has been in penury difficulties - is
a carpenter- and now lives in
the Yard adjoining the 'Queen Adelaide' Public House; his wife is sister to Mrs Thomas Larkins [née Elizabeth White, see Page 14]. He has three daughters
and two sons [see Carter family tree in right hand column]
[later]
Samuel
Bartel and Mary his wife.
They have been keeping the public house for about 1 year. He wants to get a licence from the Magistrates - but failed this year (1845) owing to an informality in his notices. I refused to sign his petition this year - and should do so again - as a girl, his servant, complained to me of his improper treatment of her, and his character (entrè nous) is notorious in that line. His wife is a dawdle, and his children unruly." [see Bartel family tree in right hand column]
[Above transcription corrected against original
document on 28 August 2008] |
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Additional notes and genealogy: |
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The original "Axe and Compasses" Public House c1914
showing publican Walter James Tiller with his children. This is one of the few modern-day locations in the "Speculum Gregis" that can be positively identified. |
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Photo from Ena Bowles (great granddaughter of Walter Tilly) |
The pub was destroyed by fire shortly afterwards in c1915. The publican, Walter James Tiller, and his family (seen in photos above and below) had to live in an out-house during the rebuild. The new pub (see below) bore little resemblance to the old building. Walter Tilly was sent to France during WWI, contracted TB in the trenches, and subsequently died at the pub in 1921 following treatment at Papworth Hospital. He was buried at Croydon church on 2 August 1921, aged 43. |
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Photo from Ena Bowles (great granddaughter of Walter Tilly) |
The 'Axe & Compasses' finally closed as a pub in 1937. It is now a private dwelling: |
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© Google Street View 2009. |
Contribution: |
"Your photo of the "Axe and Compass[es]" is not 1900 - it is probably just prior to the fire of 1915 - the family is my family - they show Walter Tiller with his children - one of them is my mother Maria May Tiller who was born in 1910 in Croydon - Walter died in about 1921 as a result of injuries of the first World War. I have traced my mother, to her mother, Charlotte Tiller, then Maria Gates, then Charlotte Gates and then Patience Knights, all from the Croydon area. My mother always talked of her childhood in Croydon with fond memories and told me many tales of the village life!" |
- Ruth Knipe via Guest Book, 2009. |
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Speculative Carter Family Tree
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Carter = ? |
James White = Sarah |
(?-?) (?-?) |
(?-?) (?-?) |
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Richard Carter (c1800-1853) = Eliza White (1804-1848) |
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marr Oct 1825 at Croydon Church |
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Cathrine Carter (c1826-?)
George Carter (c1829-?)
Jane Carter (c1833-?)
Rebecca Carter (c1835-?)
Boy (?-?)
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Tree: Deduced (additional information greatly appreciated)
Speculum Gregis 'names' shown in bold. |
See also the 1841 Census (Page One)
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Speculative Bartel Family Tree
(Alternative spellings: Bartell, Bartle)
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James Bartel =
Mary (?) |
Harden = ? |
(c1766-?) (c1772-?) |
(?-?) (?-?) |
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Samuel Bartel (c1809-?) = Mary A Harden (c1810-?) |
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marr Oct 1829 at Croydon Church |
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James Bartel (c1833-?)
Samuel
Bartel (bap 1837)
Thomas Bartel (bap 1839)
Sally/Sarah Bartel (bap 1841)
Selina Bartel (bap 1843)
Charles Bartel (bap 1845)
George Bartel
(c1848-?)
Jane Ann Bartel (c1850-?) |
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Tree: Deduced (additional information greatly appreciated)
Speculum Gregis 'names' shown in bold. |
See also the 1841 Census (Page One)
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Notes (Bartel):
[1]
Samuel
Bartle took part in the 1832 Croydon Riot and
was sentenced to three month's imprisonment.
[2] James Bartle dismissed from Sunday School. "Entered the School January 1843 aged 11 years. He attended very irregularly, was idle and very disorderly and was dismissed by me May 1845" - Rev Francis Fulford.
[3]
1851
Census:
- Samuel Bartell head marr 42 ag lab born Croydon,
- Mary A Bartell wife 41
b Somerstown, London,
- James Bartell son unmarr 18 ag lab b Croydon,
- Samuel Bartell
son unmarr 14 ag lab b Croydon,
- Thomas Bartell son unmarr 13 ag lab b Croydon,
- Sally Bartell dau 10 b Croydon,
- Selena Bartell dau 7 b Croydon,
- Charles Bartell
son 5 b Croydon,
- George Bartell son 3 b Croydon,
- Jane Ann Bartell dau 1 b Croydon,
- James Bartell relation widower 85 Ag lab pauper receiving parish relief, born
Cockayne Hatley, Bedfordshire.
Acknowledgements and thanks to Ruth Knipe for help and information about the "Axe & Compasses" and the Tiller family.
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